1.12.2012

Dilution, Dehydration and Delurking

First of all, it's International Delurking Week through this Sunday, the 15th. So please, I have 75 followers, and only a dozen or so faithful commenters. I'd love for all of you to take a moment to say hi and to tell me a little something about yourself. I'll ask you my favorite ice breaker question to help get you started.

If you were a candy, what candy would you be?

My answer: A Sweet Tart!

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OK, on to my second topic. Dilution. 

Liz asked after my last post, why is my dose of Lupron so high. I thought I would explain it, since in addition to my being my sanity, I hope this blog will help other who follow behind me in this journey. 

I've been taking 40 units of diluted Lupron since Christmas, and now that I've started stims as of last night, I'll be taking 20 units until trigger. In a typical Long Lupron Protocol like my first IVF, the dose is 10 units, down to 5. The difference here, is that the amount of Lurpon I'm actually getting is super small compared to the long protocol. Say it's like 1 unit, or smaller. Now, any of you who are familiar with Lupron could imagine just how impossible it would be to actually fill a syringe with 1 unit or less. Yeah, pretty much not possible. It would be like a drop. So, what happens is, that drop is added to some other liquid diluant in order to make it easier to actually measure out an amount you can put in a syringe with some accuracy. That's why it seems like my dose is so big. But trust me, I would be out. of. my. mind. if I have been on full strength Lupron for 18 days. 

Now, the next question might be, why such a small amount of Lupron. Well, basically, the theory is that in my first cycle, I was too suppressed. At baseline, my E2 was > 10. I was on 150 of Gonal F and 75 of Menopur, and they ended up having to increase the dose a few times. My E2 after 5 days of stims was only 189. From what I've gathered, this was on the low side, and it is better for the eggs to grow at a solid steady rate, as opposed to start off slow and then be faced with higher and higher levels of stims to get the desired result. 

My second cycle was different entirely, making use of the antagonist protocol, with Gonal F only, 150 twice a day. The theory is that I got better quality eggs with Gonal F only as evidenced by a much higher fertilization rate (though ICSI was involved the second time, so it's hard to say for sure). But, I stimmed so fast (7 days!), we weren't able to get as many eggs. This is in part due to bcps as a suppression not leveling the playing field of the follicles as well as Lupron in some cases, so the eggs don't all start off at the same size. They had to trigger me or risk the largest follicle ovulating on it's own. 

So, this time, in addition to the change in suppression, we're sticking with Gonal F since it seems my body likes that best, but we've reduced the amount to 225, at night only, so hopefully I will stim over a longer period at a slow and steady pace and get a nice batch of high quality eggs when all is said and done.

The theory already seems to be working as my E2 at baseline this week was 13, so I was actually on the chart and hopefully not over suppressed!

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And lastly, a little story for you about dehydration. Last night, I went into the bathroom to fill our humidifier from the tub. I yanked back the shower curtain and almost peed myself with I say little Roy, one of our furbabies, cowering on the floor of the tub. This is not normal behavior. It startled me half to death. 

He ran off, and as I left the bathroom, the other furry, Ziggy made his way into the bathtub. I exclaimed all this to Hubby, who said something about them being interested in the water I had just splashed. But again, not normal behavior. Then Hubby noted that he'd seen Ziggy licking the condensation off the window earlier that evening. And I remembered that Ziggy had been up on the kitchen sink the night before, which is more weird behavior. I went back down to the bathroom to find both boys sitting in the tub, looking up at my like I was a crazy person. 

And then we realized that their water must be empty! We have one of those big ones that looks like a mini water cooler. I ran down stairs, and sure enough, dry as a bone. I filled it, and an extra bowl, and within seconds, both boys were in the kitchen, pressed to the floor, lapping up the water like crazy. 

It made me cry. 

I felt so horrible that they were so thirsty, yet not complaining to us at all. I have no idea how long they were out water, as Hubby takes care of these things. And it made me realize just how out of it Hubby really is right now. He had a good session with his shrink just last night, who wants him back off meds. He sees the prescribing psychiatrist next week, which is good. He's definitely not been himself. When I came back up to tell him about the boys, I told him that I hope the fact that he dehydrated his poor little kitties will help him to take action and snap out of the funk he's been in. I know it's not easy, as it's a chemical thing with him, but he does better with exercise, so we just need to get him back up and running some how. We'll figure it out eventually. We always do. 




12 comments:

  1. I am delurking - ok not really but here I am. I would say last year I have mainly been a lemon sour drop ;)

    I hope your hubby gets better. Exercise is important to get the brain right whether on or off meds. Sending you a hug as dealing with a full IVF and this is hard work. xx

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  2. Glad you clarified about the Lupron... I was feeling horrible for you and your metal health if you were really taking that much! I kept thinking 'if 10 units makes me feel crazy, I cannot imagine 4x that!!'

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  3. I like skittles.

    I, of course am not a lurker.

    I hope your kitties are okay now. That would be a sad sight. My dog has been out of water and just stands there looking pathetic.

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  4. I'm here! I would be a salted caramel dark chocolate - a little bit salty, a little bit sweet, a little sarcastic and a little sincere. I'm hoping this IVF is the one, thinking positive thoughts!

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  5. I'm officially delurking to say that if I were a candy I would be a shock tarts (now called shockers) ... a little bit sweet with a kick. Glad your kitties got some water. When my dog Honey's bowl is empty she jumps in the shower too. She drinks a crazy amount of water, so this is her way of communicating. Aren't fur babies the best! I'm going through IVF right now too. Praying this is it for both of us!

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  6. Good luck with this IVF cycle!! Sending lots of positive thoughts your way!! I start my stims tomorrow. It's crazy how excited I am to start shooting up...lol. Anyway, if I were a candy, I would be a Raisinet because I'm part healthy and part sweet, chocolate goodness!! Now, I should probably post a delurking post on my blog...lol!!

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  7. Well, that makes perfect sense! I wish my docs would do that, rather than the regular Lupron protocol, because the full Lupron kicks my ass. Slow and steady does win the race when it comes to good egg production. I'm betting you get a basketful this go round :) (knocking on wood, of course).

    Poor kitties! I've done the same thing. They never ask for water, and I'm terrible at filling the bowl. Don't beat yourself up over it, they'll be ok.

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  8. Oh, poor kitties! Glad you figured it out, although I can understand felling horrified about what happened...

    Very interesting theories on your stimulation medications - thanks for sharing. I hope that this cycle goes exactly to plan! Will be cheering you on, keep us posted.

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  9. Poor kitties :( It definitely happens. I too have done it.

    I would be a skittle! Sweet and fun... for the most part (except during an ivf cycle, haha).

    Best of luck on this cycle! Congrats on starting stims! Praying for you!

    ~ 3rd times a charm crew member :)

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  10. I know I've commented a few times but I think I would be chewy Runts! Love those things!!

    Best wishes on this cycle, we'll be starting lupron on the 27th. Keep us posted!

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  11. Hi! I wouldn't be a candy at all. I would just like to be a human who eats the candy.

    Your poor kitties. They are so sweet not to whine. My cat lets me know immediately if he is out of food, water or anything at all. In fact, if he wants snuggles, he hops up on the bed and bats my face til I wake up and rub his belly.

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  12. If I were a candy I would totally be a Nerd!

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